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	<title>Comentarii la: Doctrina Monroe pe stil Obama &#8211; America de Sud e sferă de influenţă marxistă</title>
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		<title>de: costin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Si cei de la  Huffington Post sint suparati pe Obama, dar ca de obicei pentru ca nu este destul de progresiv si pentru ca nu sustine intoarcerea neconditionata a presedintelui marxist la putere.



&lt;blockquote&gt;President Obama is making a big mistake in coddling the dictatorship in Honduras, and putting his administration at odds with the rest of the hemisphere. It also looks terrible to the world that his government so easily abandons its professed commitment to democracy and the rule of law.

President Mel Zelaya of Honduras was overthrown by the military on June 28. &lt;b&gt;Most of Latin America saw this as a threat to democracy in the hemisphere, immediately condemned the coup, and strongly supported Zelaya&#039;s return.&lt;/b&gt; [majoritatea, adica venezula si celelalte tari care se indreapta vertiginos inspre comunism?] The Organization of American States as well as the General Assembly of the United Nations called for Zelaya&#039;s &quot;immediate and unconditional&quot; return.

But the Obama administration has issued a series of conflicting statements, and last week the U.S. State Department sent a letter to Republican Senator Richard Lugar that appeared to blame Zelaya himself for the coup. The letter also said that U.S. policy was &quot;not based on supporting any particular politician or individual,&quot; thus further distancing Washington from Zelaya.

These statements were widely publicized in the Honduran media and helped to bolster the dictatorship.

Perhaps more ominously, the Obama administration has not said one word about the atrocities and human rights abuses perpetrated by the coup government. Political activists have been murdered, independent TV and radio stations have been shut down, journalists have been detained and intimidated, and hundreds of people arrested. Human rights groups in the U.S. and internationally have denounced this political repression. But Washington has been silent. On the contrary, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized Zelaya -- who is not linked to any violence whatsoever -- for attempting to return peacefully to his own country. [sarmanul Zelaya, el nu are nici o vina] 

On Tuesday, 16 Democratic Members of Congress, including Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, sent a letter to President Obama calling on him to &quot;publicly denounce the use of violence and repression of peaceful protestors, the murder of peaceful political organizers and all forms of censorship and intimidation directed at media outlets.&quot; Can he ignore this public appeal from his own party?

The Members of Congress also asked President Obama to &quot; freeze the bank accounts and assets of individuals involved in the coup, and deny them entry into the United States.&quot;

These and other measures that are easy to implement could force the dictatorship to allow the President Zelay&#039;s return. But the Obama administration has shown no interest in using them.

This problem is not going to go away. On Tuesday the governments of South America issued a joint statement that they will not recognize any president in Honduras that is elected under the dictatorship. This is important because there is a presidential election scheduled for November, and the coup government hopes to stall until then.

But South America had made it clear that this is not an option.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is very close to the Honduran dictatorship&#039;s chief strategists such as Lanny Davis and Bennett Ratcliff, who are powerful Washington lobbyists. Davis was a former counsel to President Bill Clinton and also helped Hillary&#039;s own presidential campaign. Most likely Clinton hopes to return Zelaya as close to the election as possible.

This would guarantee an unfair election that her friends in the dictatorship would easily win. The Presidential election campaign has already started, and the longer it continues under conditions of political repression and censorship, the less likely it is that anyone outside of Washington will consider it legitimate. And an illegitimate government in Honduras would become a festering sore, with boycotts and economic sanctions of the type that targeted the South African apartheid regime in the 1970s and 80s.

The Obama administration can still change course and support democracy in Honduras. But time is rapidly running out.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/obama-should-change-cours_b_259054.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama Should Change Course and Support Democracy In Honduras&lt;/a&gt;
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Huffington Post este revoltat ca un marxist cu tendinte totalitare a fost inlaturat de la putere. Revoltat!

Articolul nu mentioneaza nimic, dar absolut nimic despre protestele majoritar impotriva presedintelui expulzat, ca tarile din America de sud care sustin reintoarcerea sint deja dictaturi sau in proces de a deveni dictaturi marxiste.

Ce ti-e si cu progresismul asta, cum sustine el tot timpul tendintele totalitare in detrimentul democratiei si libertatii, dar se pricepe foarte bine la a striga ca din gura de sarpte ca sustine tocmai contrariul.... dezgustator :&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Si cei de la  Huffington Post sint suparati pe Obama, dar ca de obicei pentru ca nu este destul de progresiv si pentru ca nu sustine intoarcerea neconditionata a presedintelui marxist la putere.</p>
<blockquote><p>President Obama is making a big mistake in coddling the dictatorship in Honduras, and putting his administration at odds with the rest of the hemisphere. It also looks terrible to the world that his government so easily abandons its professed commitment to democracy and the rule of law.</p>
<p>President Mel Zelaya of Honduras was overthrown by the military on June 28. <b>Most of Latin America saw this as a threat to democracy in the hemisphere, immediately condemned the coup, and strongly supported Zelaya&#8217;s return.</b> [majoritatea, adica venezula si celelalte tari care se indreapta vertiginos inspre comunism?] The Organization of American States as well as the General Assembly of the United Nations called for Zelaya&#8217;s &#8220;immediate and unconditional&#8221; return.</p>
<p>But the Obama administration has issued a series of conflicting statements, and last week the U.S. State Department sent a letter to Republican Senator Richard Lugar that appeared to blame Zelaya himself for the coup. The letter also said that U.S. policy was &#8220;not based on supporting any particular politician or individual,&#8221; thus further distancing Washington from Zelaya.</p>
<p>These statements were widely publicized in the Honduran media and helped to bolster the dictatorship.</p>
<p>Perhaps more ominously, the Obama administration has not said one word about the atrocities and human rights abuses perpetrated by the coup government. Political activists have been murdered, independent TV and radio stations have been shut down, journalists have been detained and intimidated, and hundreds of people arrested. Human rights groups in the U.S. and internationally have denounced this political repression. But Washington has been silent. On the contrary, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized Zelaya &#8212; who is not linked to any violence whatsoever &#8212; for attempting to return peacefully to his own country. [sarmanul Zelaya, el nu are nici o vina] </p>
<p>On Tuesday, 16 Democratic Members of Congress, including Raul Grijalva of Arizona and Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, sent a letter to President Obama calling on him to &#8220;publicly denounce the use of violence and repression of peaceful protestors, the murder of peaceful political organizers and all forms of censorship and intimidation directed at media outlets.&#8221; Can he ignore this public appeal from his own party?</p>
<p>The Members of Congress also asked President Obama to &#8221; freeze the bank accounts and assets of individuals involved in the coup, and deny them entry into the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>These and other measures that are easy to implement could force the dictatorship to allow the President Zelay&#8217;s return. But the Obama administration has shown no interest in using them.</p>
<p>This problem is not going to go away. On Tuesday the governments of South America issued a joint statement that they will not recognize any president in Honduras that is elected under the dictatorship. This is important because there is a presidential election scheduled for November, and the coup government hopes to stall until then.</p>
<p>But South America had made it clear that this is not an option.</p>
<p>Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is very close to the Honduran dictatorship&#8217;s chief strategists such as Lanny Davis and Bennett Ratcliff, who are powerful Washington lobbyists. Davis was a former counsel to President Bill Clinton and also helped Hillary&#8217;s own presidential campaign. Most likely Clinton hopes to return Zelaya as close to the election as possible.</p>
<p>This would guarantee an unfair election that her friends in the dictatorship would easily win. The Presidential election campaign has already started, and the longer it continues under conditions of political repression and censorship, the less likely it is that anyone outside of Washington will consider it legitimate. And an illegitimate government in Honduras would become a festering sore, with boycotts and economic sanctions of the type that targeted the South African apartheid regime in the 1970s and 80s.</p>
<p>The Obama administration can still change course and support democracy in Honduras. But time is rapidly running out.<br />
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-weisbrot/obama-should-change-cours_b_259054.html" rel="nofollow">Obama Should Change Course and Support Democracy In Honduras</a>
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<p>Huffington Post este revoltat ca un marxist cu tendinte totalitare a fost inlaturat de la putere. Revoltat!</p>
<p>Articolul nu mentioneaza nimic, dar absolut nimic despre protestele majoritar impotriva presedintelui expulzat, ca tarile din America de sud care sustin reintoarcerea sint deja dictaturi sau in proces de a deveni dictaturi marxiste.</p>
<p>Ce ti-e si cu progresismul asta, cum sustine el tot timpul tendintele totalitare in detrimentul democratiei si libertatii, dar se pricepe foarte bine la a striga ca din gura de sarpte ca sustine tocmai contrariul&#8230;. dezgustator <img src='http://patrupedbun.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>de: Imperialistu'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imperialistu'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mi-am adus aminte de ceva. Emil, protestez fata de comparatia cu Metternich! :D Cu atat mai mult cu cat Metternich ar fi luat partea celor care i-au dut un sut in dos revolutionarului marxist de Zelaya; nici nu ar fi ezitat! Contele are pe nedrept o presa cam proasta, desi a-l rezolva drept &quot;reactionar&quot; e simplist.

In era revolutiei franceze, Metternich a facut ceea ce orice om de stat responsabil ar fi facut daca se afla in functia lui: a incercat sa salveze ce se mai putea din Imperiul multinational al Casei de Habsburg, concentrandu-si fortele pe evitarea unui conflict de proportii in Europa. Nu putem spune ca nu i-a reusit, doar pacea a rezistat cateva decenii, pana la razboiul franco-prusac din 1870. 

Nu a fost un mare reformist, dar poate fi asta un pacat mortal, mai ales daca tinem cont de natura revolutionara a vremurilor? Revolutionarii vor revolutii, nu reforme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mi-am adus aminte de ceva. Emil, protestez fata de comparatia cu Metternich! <img src='http://patrupedbun.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  Cu atat mai mult cu cat Metternich ar fi luat partea celor care i-au dut un sut in dos revolutionarului marxist de Zelaya; nici nu ar fi ezitat! Contele are pe nedrept o presa cam proasta, desi a-l rezolva drept &#8220;reactionar&#8221; e simplist.</p>
<p>In era revolutiei franceze, Metternich a facut ceea ce orice om de stat responsabil ar fi facut daca se afla in functia lui: a incercat sa salveze ce se mai putea din Imperiul multinational al Casei de Habsburg, concentrandu-si fortele pe evitarea unui conflict de proportii in Europa. Nu putem spune ca nu i-a reusit, doar pacea a rezistat cateva decenii, pana la razboiul franco-prusac din 1870. </p>
<p>Nu a fost un mare reformist, dar poate fi asta un pacat mortal, mai ales daca tinem cont de natura revolutionara a vremurilor? Revolutionarii vor revolutii, nu reforme.</p>
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		<title>de: emil</title>
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		<dc:creator>emil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avocatul Miguel Estrada explica in termeni clari de ce indepartarea lui Zelaya este constitutionala si un act legitim de protectie a democratiei din Honduras. Singura greseala a constat in expulzarea lui Zelaya; autorul considera ca Zelaya trebuia sa fi fost arestat si judecat/condamnat in Honduras de un tribunal local.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-estrada10-2009jul10,0,1570598.story&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Honduras&#039; non-coup&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avocatul Miguel Estrada explica in termeni clari de ce indepartarea lui Zelaya este constitutionala si un act legitim de protectie a democratiei din Honduras. Singura greseala a constat in expulzarea lui Zelaya; autorul considera ca Zelaya trebuia sa fi fost arestat si judecat/condamnat in Honduras de un tribunal local.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-estrada10-2009jul10,0,1570598.story" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Honduras&#8217; non-coup</a></p>
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		<title>de: Imperialistu'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imperialistu'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nu prea am inteles care sunt referintele &quot;placute pentru publicul majoritar&quot; din Romania, dar nu cred ca e important. Mai interesant e ca partizanii au si inceput sa agite pericolul legionar (&lt;i&gt;&quot;tovarasi, cand nu aveti argumente, scoateti din palarie fantoma fascismului! Garda si Capitanul!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;). Ce repede invata astia micii de la Iliescu! Cresc intr-un an cat alti marxisti in 10 ani grei de lupta pe viata si pe moarte cu dujmanii poporului. Nomenclatura tre&#039; sa fie tare mandra de teribilistii care prizeaza socialism a la Indymedia.

&lt;b&gt;Costin&lt;/b&gt; &gt; Uita-te mai atent: nu lauda NPCR. Castro si Chavez sunt simpatici pentru pustii  Indymedia, nu si Ceausescu, doar Ceausescu a intinat nobilele idealuri ale socialismului stiintific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nu prea am inteles care sunt referintele &#8220;placute pentru publicul majoritar&#8221; din Romania, dar nu cred ca e important. Mai interesant e ca partizanii au si inceput sa agite pericolul legionar (<i>&#8220;tovarasi, cand nu aveti argumente, scoateti din palarie fantoma fascismului! Garda si Capitanul!&#8221;</i>). Ce repede invata astia micii de la Iliescu! Cresc intr-un an cat alti marxisti in 10 ani grei de lupta pe viata si pe moarte cu dujmanii poporului. Nomenclatura tre&#8217; sa fie tare mandra de teribilistii care prizeaza socialism a la Indymedia.</p>
<p><b>Costin</b> > Uita-te mai atent: nu lauda NPCR. Castro si Chavez sunt simpatici pentru pustii  Indymedia, nu si Ceausescu, doar Ceausescu a intinat nobilele idealuri ale socialismului stiintific.</p>
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		<title>de: costin</title>
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		<dc:creator>costin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partizanu, tu ai un blog pe care lauzi nou&#039; partid comunist roman sau ceva de genu. mi-ar fi groaznic de rusine sa deschid gura pe aici. groaznic, i tell ya</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partizanu, tu ai un blog pe care lauzi nou&#8217; partid comunist roman sau ceva de genu. mi-ar fi groaznic de rusine sa deschid gura pe aici. groaznic, i tell ya</p>
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		<title>de: Partizanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Partizanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asta e versiunea oficiala a Partidului Republican?
Nu foloseste si sintagma conspiratie &quot;iudeo-bolsevica&quot;,nu?
Cred ca atunci cand v-au trimis textul in retea trebuiau sa specifice si aceste cuvinte pentru ca in Romania astfel de referiri sunt placute unui anumit tip de public (din pacate majoritar).
Dar nu are nimic- e OK si asa -au inteles oamenii cam cum e cu pericolul marxist in Honduras si vor fi vigilenti si la noi. Ii prevenise oricum si Capitanul cand traia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asta e versiunea oficiala a Partidului Republican?<br />
Nu foloseste si sintagma conspiratie &#8220;iudeo-bolsevica&#8221;,nu?<br />
Cred ca atunci cand v-au trimis textul in retea trebuiau sa specifice si aceste cuvinte pentru ca in Romania astfel de referiri sunt placute unui anumit tip de public (din pacate majoritar).<br />
Dar nu are nimic- e OK si asa -au inteles oamenii cam cum e cu pericolul marxist in Honduras si vor fi vigilenti si la noi. Ii prevenise oricum si Capitanul cand traia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>de: chriscross</title>
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		<dc:creator>chriscross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>de cand a fost exilat &quot;el presidente&quot; am urmarit atent pagina wikipedia dedicata acestui eveniment si am observat un lucru pe care deja il stim cu totii: wikipedia e mai mult &quot;progresista&quot; decat neutra... Exista un edit war al &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_political_crisis&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paginii&lt;/a&gt; cu privire la titlu (lovitura de stat sau criza politica); evident marxistii sunt majoritari...
Nici macar editorii de pe wikipedia care sunt din Honduras nu sunt luati in seama.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;O sursa interesanta aflata la fata locului&lt;/a&gt;
si o mica comparatie intre cele doua tabere: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/07/the_honduran_coup_detat.html#photo7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pro&lt;/a&gt; si &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/07/the_honduran_coup_detat.html#photo27&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contra&lt;/a&gt; :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>de cand a fost exilat &#8220;el presidente&#8221; am urmarit atent pagina wikipedia dedicata acestui eveniment si am observat un lucru pe care deja il stim cu totii: wikipedia e mai mult &#8220;progresista&#8221; decat neutra&#8230; Exista un edit war al <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_political_crisis" rel="nofollow">paginii</a> cu privire la titlu (lovitura de stat sau criza politica); evident marxistii sunt majoritari&#8230;<br />
Nici macar editorii de pe wikipedia care sunt din Honduras nu sunt luati in seama.<br />
<a href="http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">O sursa interesanta aflata la fata locului</a><br />
si o mica comparatie intre cele doua tabere: <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/07/the_honduran_coup_detat.html#photo7" rel="nofollow">pro</a> si <a href="http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/07/the_honduran_coup_detat.html#photo27" rel="nofollow">contra</a> <img src='http://patrupedbun.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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